Animal Consumption and Attitude

By Talismanicidols on June 17, 2016


To balance the last post, I received some feedback about the consumption of animal meat.  The post was about bone broth and the medicinal and nutritional benefits therein.  

The feedback that I received was exactly what I expected.  A lot of it was surprise that bone broth has so much nutrition that we don’t get with muscle meat.  Some of it contained people having a deep resonation with balancing muscle meat with the rest of the fatty parts of the animal (tendons, ligaments, bone marrow, gelatin, organs, etc…).

And of course, there were a few people who take issue with the consumption of animal meat.  I must say that I have a soft spot for anyone who stands for eliminating cruelty and the preservation of life.  

I will touch base upon what I don’t like about animal consumption and ways that we animal consumers could stand to augment our dietary practices in order to eliminate cruelty.  The preservation of life aspect will have to be addressed differently.  

The MEAT of the Matter

Daniel Vitalis has been on my radar for a while but recently I’ve been listening to his Rewild Yourself podcast.  Below there is a link to his podcast on his research and experience with Veganism and why he is no longer a vegan after 10 years of being meat and animal product free.

Daniel Vitalis’ Rewild Yourself podcast

The parts of his podcast that stood out to me are especially the lack evidence that our ancestors were vegan.  There were no purely gatherer groups without the hunting.  

He aslo mentions that if you believe we evolved from the bonobo chimp (aka pygmy chimpanzee), then we must take into account that the bonobo chimps hunted the young of other primates.  

He also gets into the common arguments for purely plant based diets.  

The Golden Age argument consist of the idea that long ago when humans weren’t corrupted by industrialization and civilization (Eden) we lived purely on plants and no animals had to die in order for us to live.  

The New Age argument, if I understood him correctly, is primarily based on what we are coming to terms with when factory farming comes to public knowledge.  It is horrendous how animals are treated on large scale operations.  These animals are deprived of their natural habitat and lifestyle.  

The young are separated from their mothers.  Their health is diminished in so many ways that their “don’t-care takers” are forced to give antibiotics.  The waste and pollution from factory farming is a larger problem than any Cowspiracy documentary could illustrate.  (Ps.  Don’t take any of these links as gospel.  Some are incomplete or slightly incorrect but the overall point rings clear).  I suggest you check out this link to see the enumerated effects of factory farming.   This is the CRUELTY I spoke of above.  I wish to eliminate this cruelty

Also included in the New Age argument is our tendency to anthropomorphize animals due to being raised on cartoons that represent humanistic animals.  We also are raised around pets (animals given names and treated as a member of the family) which has great implications.  But as with all things we do, there are myriad subtle consequences that may never occur to us until we properly make the link between cause and effect.  

The removal of our participation in the lives of the animals we eat also has many effects.  When we buy meat that is cut into portions, packed into plastic containers with logos and fancy colors, it probably will never occur to the new generations that animals are raised and slaughtered without our appreciation.


So how are we supposed to appreciate something like the killing of an animal?  I couldn’t illustrate this point without expressing that life is a complex drama.  I’m forced to say something trite like, without the throes of pain we cannot experience the heights of pleasure.

All things that live will one day die.  This is the truest fact we can find in our pursuit to find out whether we should or should not eat animals.  Furthermore, all life eats life.  Whether plants, animals, bacteria, fungi, etc.  We eat the bodies and consume the life force.  

The arguments about our teeth, jaws, intestines and bodies are meant purely for plant based foods is covered in depth in Daniel Vitalis’ podcast above and in the interest of time (I’m currently taking care of my 11 month old daughter) I’ll let you dig deeper into his podcast for that information.

However, when looking into biblical references we hear that humans are given dominion over the animal kingdom.  Now we commonly mistake that word for domination whether we know it or not, but some also mistake it for meaning that we’re not meant to eat these animals.  Nowhere is this stated explicitly.  But to be fair, I want to share with you PETA’s take on biblical references to going Vegan.

The one’s that seem closest to stating that we should not eat meat are:

“Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your judgments are like the great deep; you save humans and animals alike, O Lord.” —Psalms 36:6

“And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” —Genesis 1:30

The second one seems close to being explicit, but in fact it doesn’t say not to eat meat.  I know this sound like I’m reaching, but in reality I don’t feel compelled to listen to the words of the bible.  I feel there is great wisdom in it but it’s also from a different era when people were in completely different living situations.  

Long Term Veganism

The largest piece of evidence I’ve found against long term veganism is the absence of evidence and studies on anyone who has maintained a vegan diet for their entire life.  And furthermore, the absence of evidence and studies on people who lived 100% vegan and had children who lived 100% vegan and so on and so forth.  I believe this is because the deficiencies alone cause people do return to at least minimal animal products after a certain amount of years.  

It is true that those who go vegan immediately feel a bit more alive.  I feel this is because that going vegan means you eat far more fruits and vegetables and probably learn more about how to supplement.  This is a far cry from the diet they probably came from, which included meat but also included processed grains and packaged products that resemble cardboard more than food.  

So the first few years of going vegan probably have tremendous health benefits.  However, as with anything in life, there are short term patterns and long term patterns.  Most people who tout their successes in any kind of diet tend to do so within the first year.  Even scientific studies seem to revolve around the 1-3 year mark.  After that, the empirical evidence takes a nose dive.  

Naudi Aguilar from Functional Patterns says the same for some fitness routines like Crossfit, gymnastics, and a few movement disciplines.  For the first few years the health improves because the body is being moved more frequently, you’ll sweat more, breath more and over all be more conscious inside your body.  But take a look at 13-15 year patterns and chronic issues present themselves.  Take for example sitting:  You won’t notice deterioration in your body mechanics the first month of sitting.  It takes many many years for it to become, what we would call a problem.

Balance the Attitude

In closing I want to focus on the delivery of people’s arguments, whether for or against animal consumption.  When trying to change people’s deeply engrained patterns and routines like dietary choices, the worst possible approach is condescending and insulting tone.  The delivery of our message sometimes, actually often speaks louder than the content.  

When someone has a deeply held belief that WE (aka.  all humans) should live by that same belief, the unyielding crusader comes out.  We tend to treat people like idiots.  Like lesser creatures.  We talk down to one another and attempt to shift their decision making by bullying them with better arguments and newer science.  

Vegans aren’t the worst.  But meat eaters aren’t any worse than vegans.  It’s just people.  People have the tendency to troll other’s social media and instead of engaging in calm Socratic debate, we start with the sword and violent words.

I must say that out of any group that speak in an asinine manner, I have a soft spot for those those who believe they are the preservers of life.  But they are simply the preservers of only one two kingdoms.  Animal and human… at least I assume that Vegans disagree with capital punishment.

But all life feeds on life and ALL things die.  The difference is the way we preserve the quality of life, all the way up to the moment of death.  And then appreciating and respecting that animal in death as the sole reason we are given our own quality of life.  

Perhaps if we hunted wild animals we would mimic other predators and simply be another predatory animal to the animal kingdom.  And perhaps if we had this kind of relationship with the animals we take for food, we would understand the sacrifice.  Perhaps we would understand that death is a gory and awful thing to behold, especially as a conscious human being.   And perhaps we wouldn’t eat the unhealthy amounts of muscle meat to satisfy our rich and fat lifestyles.  The AMOUNT of animal products we eat is a direct reflection of our disconnect with the steps in the process from a living animal to our plate.  Because those steps are crucially important if you call yourself humane and conscious.

I’m more appalled by the manner in which we ignore the “life” of what we eat in the pursuit of convenient and quick tasty food.  It’s consumer masturbation and it’s disgusting.  Killing animals for food?  That’s been happening as long as humans have existed and long before.  Disrespecting the natural process of hunting, killing, preparing, eating and celebrating the life that the animal gave, that’s what I abhor.  That’s what I aim to change.

As I said, I have a soft spot for anyone who might think we should not eat animals and I promise I will give an open heart and mind to anyone who comes to me with a well thought and respectfully delivered argument to my decision in eating animals.

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Tags: Animal consumption, Daniel Vitalis, factory farming, Mineral deficiencies, problems with vegan diet, Vegan, Veganism.